Episode 21: Outgrowing the Old - Part 1

Conscious Leadership & the Future of Organizational Development

Conscious Leadership Podcast | Episode with Katrina de Angelis

Welcome back to the Conscious Leadership Podcast. Today we’re diving straight into one of the most overdue conversations in business: What does it really mean to “grow up” as an organization — and as a leader?

This episode is not another round of lip service about “purpose” or “authenticity.” I invited Katrina de Angelis, Co-Founder of MILO Human Care and Board Member of Conscious Capitalism LA, to help me challenge the status quo — and the corporate clichés — around organizational development and conscious leadership.

Katrina’s been at the heart of major organizational transformation in the corporate world. She knows where the bodies are buried (metaphorically), and she’s seen what happens when organizations try to force old systems to deliver new results.

Let’s get real:
Boardrooms are suddenly fluent in “authenticity,” “alignment,” and “purpose.”
But is this a genuine shift — or just the next PR packaging for business as usual?

Our conversation explores whether organizations are truly evolving or simply rebranding outdated practices with trendy language like “authenticity” and “purpose.” We challenge if business consciousness is genuinely rising, or if most shifts remain at the surface, especially as performance pressures clash with the human need for purpose. Ultimately, we examine which traditional leadership models still serve us, what must be left behind, and whether hierarchies are inherently flawed—or just poorly applied in a rapidly changing world.

Is your company really evolving, or just evolving its language?
Are you leading transformation, or managing denial?

If these questions hit a nerve — great. That’s exactly why you need to listen to Part 1 of this conversation with Katrina de Angelis. We get brutally honest about what needs to die, what’s worth saving, and how to invite genuine consciousness into the boardroom (without the fluff, and without the burnout).

Listen now. Let’s outgrow the old — together.

Are you seeing “authenticity” and “purpose” show up at work — or just hearing about it in memos? Drop your stories, questions, or wounds in the comments. Let’s make this a real conversation.

Stay tuned: Part 2 of this candid and challenging conversation drops in one week.