Episode 23: Outgrowing the Old - Part 2

Conscious Leadership & the Future of Organizational Development

Conscious Leadership Podcast | Episode with Katrina de Angelis Part 2

We’re back with Part 2 of my conversation with Katrina de Angelis, Co-Founder of MILO Human Care and Board Member of Conscious Capitalism LA. If you caught the first part, you know we challenged a lot of business-as-usual thinking. In this second part, we move beyond critique into creative action.

What if developing leaders isn’t just about competencies, but also about energy?
Katrina and I dig into the idea that the next generation of leadership requires a conscious redesign—one that goes deeper than skills on a résumé.

• What would change if we helped leaders trust their intuition and embodied knowing, instead of just analytics and dashboards?

• How open are we, really, to integrating tools like Human Design, mindfulness, or somatic practices into corporate organizational development?

It’s not about abandoning data, but about restoring balance—giving space for wisdom that doesn’t always show up in a spreadsheet.

My invitation
If you’ve ever felt that real change in your organization will take more than a new strategy deck or culture workshop, you’re not alone. Conscious leadership isn’t just a mindset—it’s an energetic practice, a redesign from the inside out.

Listen now to Part 2. Let’s keep outgrowing the old—together.

Are you ready to experiment with new approaches—intuition, embodiment, even Human Design—in your own leadership journey? Share your thoughts, questions, or breakthroughs in the comments.

And if you have bold ideas or personal experiences around conscious leadership and would like to share them on a future podcast episode, I’d love to hear from you. Reach out and let’s start the conversation!